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Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:56 am

At the time — the evening of March 24 — it seemed like the breakthrough the world was waiting for.

In a hastily called speech, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that an unprecedented analysis of satellite signals concluded that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 "ended" deep in the Indian Ocean, far from any possible refuge for the 239 souls aboard.

Finally, there was a solid explanation for what happened to the aircraft. A much more focused search could begin, and so perhaps could the grieving process for families from 14 countries. Najib's announcement quieted wild speculation about desert islands and terrorists and covert operations.

But four weeks after the plane disappeared, the apparent pivot in the search is proving to be not much of a pivot at all.

Not a single piece of wreckage from the lost plane has been found, not even after a new analysis led investigators to change the focus of their search yet again. The latest search area is based on extremely limited satellite data combined with radar data taken some five hours before the plane is believed to have gone down. It is, as one search official said, "a very inexact science."

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, whose country is coordinating the current search effort, spoke of "very credible leads" and "increasing hope" a day before Najib's announcement. But on Thursday he said the search has become "the most difficult in human history."

The aircraft could indeed still be in the area planes and ships from several countries have been combing for nearly a week. Currents change the area each day, but on Thursday it was a 223,000-square kilometer (86,000-square mile) patch of ocean 1,680 kilometers (1,040 miles) northwest of Perth.

Each unsuccessful day adds to the skepticism.

"Without any kind of proof, uncertainty rules the day," said Tim Brown, a satellite imagery expert in Alexandria, Virginia. "People still can't wrap their head around how a modern airplane that big could just go missing in the modern world."

The focus of the search has changed repeatedly since air traffic controllers lost contact with the Boeing 777 between Malaysia and Vietnam. It began in the South China Sea, then shifted toward the Strait of Malacca to the west, where Malaysian officials eventually confirmed that military radar had detected the plane.

Then came evidence that the plane had continued flying for at least five hours after contact was lost. The plane automatically sent hourly signals to a satellite belonging to Inmarsat, a British company, after the plane's transponder and all communication systems had shut down. The "pings" did not include specific location information, but the team of experts who studied them said they must have come from one of two vast arcs that ran through both the Southern and Northern hemispheres.

Najib's announcement reflected a further refinement of that data that determined the aircraft could only have flown south, where it most likely crashed into the sea when it ran out of fuel. Days of costly and fruitless searches off the coast of Perth since then have employed satellites, advanced aircraft and ships, but so far there have only been dead ends.

Last week, using revised estimates of how fast the plane was traveling when it left the Malacca strait, investigators moved the search area hundreds of kilometers (miles) north. But there's no guarantee that the plane maintained that speed for hours before going down.

"The problem is, we're dealing with probabilities — estimates," Brown said of the Inmarsat data. "It's where they THINK the plane went down."

Or as Capt. Ross "Rusty" Aimer, a former pilot who now runs Aero Consulting Experts, put it: "Until we find a positive concrete shred of evidence — a piece of the aircraft — everything else is just conjecture, and it could be totally wrong. So far, the satellite calculations have only directed us to oceanic garbage dumps."

Australian officials have expressed increasing pessimism in recent days. Angus Houston, who heads the joint agency coordinating the multinational search effort out of Australia, said investigators are using computer modeling to determine the plane's final location, but two key variables needed to calculate that more precisely are unknown: the aircraft's altitude and speed.

"The starting point whenever you do a search and rescue is the last known position of the vehicle or the aircraft," Houston said Tuesday. "In this particular case, the last known position was a long, long way from where the aircraft appears to have gone."

Satellite images taken from the previous search area captured hundreds of possible objects in the water, but searchers in planes and ships found nothing related to Flight 370. In the current search area, even those clues have been lacking.

"We have not had any satellite data, I'd have to say, that has given anything better than low confidence of finding anything so far," Mick Kinley, deputy CEO of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, said Tuesday. But he also said plane and ship crews "have by no means exhausted" the search area.

Affected families, particularly those of some of the 153 Chinese passengers, have lashed out at Malaysian authorities for essentially declaring their loved ones dead without any firm proof.

Najib said Thursday that everyone involved in the search is thinking of the families and their suffering.

"I know that until we find the plane, many families cannot start to grieve," he said. "We will not rest until answers are indeed found. In due time, we will provide a closure for this event."

Malaysia's government on Wednesday organized a closed-door briefing for the families in Kuala Lumpur with officials and experts involved in the hunt. Steve Wang, a representative of some of the Chinese families who were also briefed in Beijing via video link, said most relatives remain skeptical.

"They said themselves that there are many different possibilities, but they are judging on the basis of just one of them. We all know this can't convince us," Wang said. "Hope dwindles by the day and sadness grows. I believe the plane must be somewhere and someone must know, but we do not know who knows it.

"What else can I do but wait in bitterness?" he said. "Two sleeping pills may get me two hours of sleep if I am lucky."

Dr. Michael Phillips, a Shanghai-based Canadian psychiatrist, said that without bodies or even wreckage, families are caught in an emotional "no man's land."

"A whole bunch of things can complicate grief, but in this situation it's clearly complicated because they're not sure the people are dead," Phillips said. "Your logical head would say, 'Oh, of course they're dead,' but your heart will say, 'No, no, no, I don't know.'"

The lack of physical evidence also weighs on the investigation into the crash. Just like on Day 1, every theory remains on the table, including electrical or mechanical failure, terrorism, hijacking and pilot murder-suicide.

On Wednesday, Malaysian Inspector General Khalid Abu Bakar sounded the most pessimistic note yet, warning that although investigations will go on, at the end of it "we may not even know the reason" the plane veered off course.

The most vital clues are trapped inside the plane's black boxes, or are hoped to be. Information from the flight data recorder will show what the jetliner was doing, but it may not explain why. The cockpit voice recorder, which only records audio from the flight's final couple of hours, could simply be silent if the pilots were incapacitated before the plane went down.

Wherever those boxes are, they are pinging. Their batteries are designed to last a month. That month runs out Tuesday.
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:56 am

That plane is in the bottom of the ocean somewhere. These conspiracy theories are ridiculous. The reason Malaysia is hiding stuff is because they don't want the plane to be found because the plane wasn't up to international FAA standards and they don't want to be held responsible for all the lawsuits. The Malaysia govt. owns that plane that went down in the ocean. I can guarantee, as I write this, every Malaysian owned plane is going through extensive upgrades to meet FAA standards and codes.
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:57 am

The saying-'looking for a needle in a haystack' comes to mind here. It seems evident that NO ONE has a clue to where this missing airliner is located. What a sad and futile event. We may never know the facts or the location of this airplane.

Right now, spoken theories are like belly buttons-everyone has one! Is there some credence to the beliefs/rumors of some that this plane was hijacked and is secreted somewhere to be used later for a terrorist event? Who knows?

We humans love to put everything into a special place and resolve everything. Until that is done, rumors will continue to fly. Sad!
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:57 am

This whole mess makes absolutely no sense. They have been searching a area that satelites showed pieces of debri, but haven't found anything from a plane and yet they still send in the ping locators. This is a definite cover up of some sorts, it is really puzzling that the US hasn't takin a more agressive approach to this search. We sent the destroyer Kidd into the north Indian ocean for a few days, then recalled it back to its "regular" duties. I think somebody knows alot more than what is being told, just based on that fact.
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:58 am

Anytime a government is involved, you'll have lies and half-truths. It is the nature of government. CYA is the guiding light. The problem isn't that they do so, the real problem is that you allow a government to exist at all! Any government that won't fit into a high school gym is way to big to be useful or accountable. Fire everyone over a hundred people and get rid of 99% of the liars and thieves, who would treat you as serfs.
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:58 am

Failed legislation: "On July 19, 2005, the Safe Aviation and Flight Enhancement Act of 2005 (The SAFE ACT) was introduced and referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the U.S. House of Representatives. This bill would require installation of a second cockpit voice recorder, digital flight data recorder system and emergency locator transmitter that utilizes combination deployable recorder technology in each commercial passenger aircraft that is currently required to carry each of those recorders. The deployable recorder system would be ejected from the rear of the aircraft at the moment of an accident. The bill was referred to the House Subcommittee on Aviation during the 108th, 109th, and 110th congresses."
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:58 am

I guess I have a really hard time coming to grips with the fact that it took so long to do this. I mean after a few days/even a week they had to know that this was not anything they had dealt with, I don't think that I'm alone in this wondering. Where has this ship been, and you mean to tell me that in the entire world..the entire globe...there is only one. Just one of these black box 'finder/locator ships"?! Come on now...I don't believe that for a second. Isn't there an airplane that locates those boxes. It just seems like every single person involved with this has dropped the ball at some point, admits it, then they're like..ok. This is what 'really' happened. #$%$ is that...and then they start searching some new area...
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:01 am

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - a quote from "The Usual Suspect". If this is a cover up, this is the greatest trick that the Malaysian government ever pull on the rest of the world. In the age of the Internet, Digital traces, they are playing this like a pro. This is planed/staged. If they know enough that the tracking system can be disabled, they then they are brought up with the hidden engine ping tracker that the plane was still flying for 5+ hours, hey, let's cover our track a bit more. Since the world don't know where it is, how about we say that it's down by the south pole as there are lot's of junk down there in the water that can distract the search. By the time they get the tracker down there, the trasmitter ("black box") have expired!

The Aussie are in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are putting all of this effort in and probally not getting anything in return.

The good Old U- S- of A is now putting in our 2c...

Go back to day one of the incident with all of the twist and turn and trace back all that have happened, because "they" are succeedind in covering this think up.
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Re: Flight MH370 - Have Your Say

Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:01 am

There is a whole lot more going on over there than just a missing plane. Seems like this is the first time in history, of modern radar and black boxes, that a plane this size just up and disappears. Gone. Vanishes. One time they are looking here, then new information and they are looking there, then more new information and they are looking somewhere else. They have several countries planes and ships running around on a wild goose chase. All of todays modern technology and those folks over there couldn't find their hand in their back pocket, or at least admit that they couldn't. Way too many things wrong. Too much misleading information and incorrect information. Way too much for all the technology available. And dont give me this bunk about security. It was a commercial passenger flight with civilians on it. But they don't care about that. All they are worried about is trying their best to not look like idiots. And they even failed at that too.
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Postby admin » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:02 am

This airplane story smells rotten from start to finish. It's hard to tell what to believe. The scant amount of resources in search areas low res sat photos. One or two ping box locators.Questionable tracking by radar. Tracking systems supposedly turned off. Assuming the info given thus far is true would mean the plane was in flight for hours. If that's the case I'm sure all the satellites taking pictures of the earth from different governments and corporations would have caught at least one damn photo of the plane in flight showing position and heading. Seriously hours in flight and no photo. I'm not buying that. There is something wrong with this picture.
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